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Post by Billy on May 14, 2005 3:22:22 GMT -5
Statement from Dissection.....
"I unfortunately have to inform you about the fact that Dissection have been cancelled from the Metalist Festival in Israel (a gig which was 100 percent confirmed), obviously as a result of Mr. Dave Mustaine of Megadeth (who are headlining the festival) not wanting to play with Satanic bands (according to himself because of his new-found Christian beliefs)! I'm also informed that we are supposed to share the bill with Megadeth at Fury Fest (France) later in June so I therefore want to say, on the behalf of both Dissection and myself; Mustaine, you dare to put yourself in our way but you don't dare to meet us? You want to have Dissection cancelled because you do not dare to face true opponents in faith?! You think this will stop us?! We are Satanists, yes, truly enemies of yours! For we are the antithesis to cowards like you! If you are a man of true belief, meet us in France at Fury Fest and stand up for it! Or will you have us cancelled this time too?"
Opinions?
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Post by Stoney on May 14, 2005 5:42:36 GMT -5
Made up a fuss about Rotting Christ too, and yes i will bet you Dissection get cancelled in France, im glad Jon is standing up for himself though, Rotting Christ sounded a bit too passive I think Dave Mustaine is trying to stand up for his beliefs and not seem hypocritical, although either way he is being hypocritical anyway, i think Megadeth should pull out of these festivals rather than force others out. Anyway, good luck Dissection
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Post by Suni on May 14, 2005 7:28:32 GMT -5
Well that's not suprising, although many festivals have happened in the past where bands of different beliefs played...seems the more famous you get the bigger headed you become. Thought it was just about music at the end of the day
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Post by Joey on May 14, 2005 8:12:05 GMT -5
Made up a fuss about Rotting Christ too, and yes i will bet you Dissection get cancelled in France, im glad Jon is standing up for himself though, Rotting Christ sounded a bit too passive I think Dave Mustaine is trying to stand up for his beliefs and not seem hypocritical, although either way he is being hypocritical anyway, i think Megadeth should pull out of these festivals rather than force others out. Anyway, good luck Dissection Yeh I agree. Dave vs. Jon, now that's a fight I'd like to see ;D
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Post by DeathUK on May 14, 2005 8:21:50 GMT -5
What a cock Mustaine is! Everyone can beleive in what they want to. You shouldn't impose it on others and force them to cancel. Fuck Dave Mustaine, fuck him right in his ear.
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Post by Crysannia on May 14, 2005 10:03:49 GMT -5
well i belive its a load of bollocks either way as im not religious. However i think dissection are barking up the wrong tree as i was always taught that Satanism was actually more to do with Humanism than worshipping the Devil more to do with a more self centred view on life etc. erm.....tbh the lead singer of Dissection just got out of jail for (allegedly racist) murder...so i have absolutely no sympathy..he should still be locked up in my opinion.
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Post by Nickyboi on May 14, 2005 13:37:03 GMT -5
There's two trends of satanism. One has pagan origins which has, I believe, something to do with sort of intrinsic power of one's self and the other has something to do with a fat red dude with a pointy stick.
In any case, yeah it should just be about the music! Can't believe he'd just throw them off the bill, that does seem a bit wank. I mean by the same reasoning I'd have though that he'd try throw emo bands of the Download bill too. And like we believe his "oh yeah I fell asleep on a chair and leant on my arm, that's why it's fucked up" thing anyway.
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Post by exsequor on May 14, 2005 13:49:15 GMT -5
Satanism is just a concept stolen/adopted by Christianity, and Satanism really comes in many completely different forms under the same name. I sincerely doubt Dissection are doing the childish Hail Satan adopted from the Bible, however if you find an interview then im sure it would shed some light as to there particular concept, although it seems to be about hailing the Cosmos! and other interesting snippets that i couldent be bothered to find out about
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Post by Joey on May 15, 2005 9:20:14 GMT -5
And like we believe his "oh yeah I fell asleep on a chair and leant on my arm, that's why it's fucked up" thing anyway. Then how else do you suggest he injured it? He admitted he was at rehab when it happened so to me it doesn't sound like he's trying to hide anything. I think he even admitted he was kinda embarrased about revealing how his injury happened because it wasn't very 'metal', cutting of the circulation and nerves to the arm by lying on it weird...
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Post by Tom on May 15, 2005 12:24:45 GMT -5
How is it racist if the victim was white? I think he just killed a tramp for pissing him off. well i belive its a load of bollocks either way as im not religious. However i think dissection are barking up the wrong tree as i was always taught that Satanism was actually more to do with Humanism than worshipping the Devil more to do with a more self centred view on life etc. erm.....tbh the lead singer of Dissection just got out of jail for (allegedly racist) murder...so i have absolutely no sympathy..he should still be locked up in my opinion.
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Post by DeathUK on May 15, 2005 13:40:18 GMT -5
thats ok then
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Post by Tom on May 15, 2005 14:11:24 GMT -5
I think it was the same kind of scenario as Gaahl was involved in. The guy he "abused" did something silly like not hold a door open for a lady or something like that, and so Gaahl beat the crap out of him for his rudeness.
As far as I can remember, a tramp hassled Jon so he went home to get a knife, then went back and stabbed the bloke.
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Post by Charlotte on May 16, 2005 3:14:48 GMT -5
There's two trends of satanism. One has pagan origins which has, I believe, something to do with sort of intrinsic power of one's self and the other has something to do with a fat red dude with a pointy stick. Nooooo! It has nothing to do with pagan origins, nothing whatsoever! The brand of Satanism where the devil is worshipped bla bla is based on Christianity, because you have to believe in what you are opposing after all. The LaVey brand of Satanism is more a belief in yourself and you are your own God figure. If that's humanism then that's fair enough, but neither is pagan. /rant
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Post by Charlotte on May 16, 2005 3:17:21 GMT -5
But that's not the point. The point is that due to Dave Mustaine's arrogance and big headedness, a band has now removed itself/been removed (however it happened) from festival bills, and that's just not on. If he has a problem with it, then he should walk. Megadeth aren't even any good these days!
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Post by Evilluke on May 16, 2005 3:21:20 GMT -5
Difficult one this. Mustaine is obviously acting like a twat, but Dissections response has been amazingly childish also. If her wanted to show that he was a better man than Mustaine he should have put himself above this instead of making some stupid little chest beating statement. If Mustaine really does feel that strongly about playing with a known Satanic band, Megadeth should have been the ones who pulled out instead of throwing their toys out of the pram. It's obvious that this isn't about the music in both cases here though - we know Dissection are a band whose ideolgy was important enough to the band makeup to cause Faust to quit the band as he didn't agree with it, and Jon Nodtveidt is a well known idiot when it comes to going 'I'm a Satanist, aaargh!' at every possible opportunity. If Megadeth are now a band who hold equally strong religious / philisophical beliefs then it's right, in a funny sort of way, that they don't share the same bill as that is going to be compromising someone's integrity - at least here both bands are standing up for their beliefs. From an economic standpoint in that case it's right that Dissection get booted off the bill as Megadeth are the headliners.
Personally I consider both bands to be crappy shadows of their former selves anyway.
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