I can agree to an extent. I've seen them play in recent years and in my opinion they're a seriously tight professional band even as far as vocals are concerned. They weren't before. For a long time Nick was shit live, and their goth metallica thing is a fair criticism. Personally I liked In requiem, because it sounded better than the direction Katatonia have taken recently, but haven't really come back to it that much, so really I suppose it's a little throwaway. Albums like that are usually made by corporate bands like the nu-metal or nu-tr00 (trivium/bullet for my valentine etc) lot and serve the same purpose as disposable pop music.
Icon was full of out of tune vocal, but I've kind of gotten used to it over time. I think my fave of their stuff was Draconian Times as it was the most focussed of their sound, but then I really haven't listened to the classic era of Gothic or Lost Paradise.
All of the above requires the patience to listen to goth rock. If you count moonspell in this bracket then I have limited patience with the genre.
I wouldn't stretch much further than bands like that and Tiamat though.
Right, he must have really improved then, the only live material I've come across is spanning from bootlegs from the demo era (which was fine because he just grunted and said hilarious things between tracks), then the dire bonus CD with Draconian Times, and then the even more dire One Second fan club video thing. To be fair, he must have had some serious coaching, because he was utterly terrible before.
With regards to PL's early stuff, I liked Icon until I discovered the first two. The first two have a similar kind of feel to them whilst being musically very different, and they really make you realise quite how commercial sounding Icon is. The first one I would say kind of sounds like Carnage with a lot of slow parts, it's a good, ultra-heavy death metal album! The "In Dub" 12" has much better mixes though </bragging>. Gothic is similar but the guitars are a lot more melodic and the structures a little more conventional, but it's still a real 10/10 album. After hearing those I promise you'll never look at the other albums the same way again! As for post Draconian Times stuff, I just hate it. Moronic lyrics, reliance on "catchy" vocal lines, and run of the mill song writing - the ultimate formula for what they are, rock club ear candy.
I have to admit, the first two Moonspell albums (well, first album and the EP) are kind of guilty pleasures though, more Under the Moonspell than the Wolfheart. I've never really understood why I liked it so much, for the most part it's actually quite embarrassing, but the EP in particular has a really occult vibe which really redeems it. As for Tiamat, obviously I'm a fan of Treblinka, Wildhoney is also great. I have to admit, the majority of Tiamat's death metal output has never properly grabbed me. All the albums have some really great moments, but as albums they are never entirely consistent.
NP: Negative Plane... again! I'm still feeling stupid for "not getting it" for so long! The choir version of The Beyond theme, is beyond (excuse the pun) amazing! Not only is it my favourite horror film, it has one of the most morbid soundtracks ever, and fits perfectly into the vibe of the album. This really makes my hairs stand on end!
They sound like an interesting band if they've gripped you like that. I'll stick them on the list, which excluding the Anathema discography, is about 50 items long at the moment...
Haha, I know - I feel dirty! That's probably why I ignored it for so long! I'd recommend it though, a rough comparison would be Darkthrone playing Celtic Frost with psychedelic bits. But not hipsterish.
Haha, good luck with the Anathema collection, I've been at it for years! I'm missing the We Are The Bible 7", and I haven't even bothered with the promos and stuff yet. When I'm working again these things will take priority. Dirty old shirts as well are a must, I've got an original Serenades LS, a Silent Enigma SS (which I've NEVER seen before or after) and I'm after the Crestfallen LS too, but that always seems to go for horrible money on ebay.
Luke, I would say it's a toss up between Serenades and Pentecost III. Serenades is probably a bit generic by today's standards, it's been copied and watered by down a million south american goths, but for it's time it was a really original, powerful album. Pentecost III is probably the band's most creative peak in their metal period, I've still yet to hear a band that sounds anything like that album - but it's nowhere near as heavy as Serenades. If you want (let me know quick) I'll tape them both for you for tomorrow?
Nick Barker could be the element that could kill Anathema for me.
Povey - your criticism means nothing though, you'd be over them like a horny dog if Ross Sewage played in them
I think Barker was just helping them out. If you let someone you don't even know 'kill' a band for you then it's a bit lame.
Totally agreed on your second point though. It's actually true. If Impaled/Ghoul revealed a side-project that sounded like Anathema Pove would not only have their demo, but he'd the claim he was the first to have it.
You're right, I don't know Barker, but I'm told by a few people he knows me and has some kind of problem with me - I've no idea why! I saw him at a gig a few years ago and he shouted at me, so I legged it, I've heard he is of fiery temperament, so I didn't want to stick around to discuss whatever his problem might be. I've a feeling it has something to do with a certain ex-Solstice/current My Gay Pride guitarist though...