If it's mainly a nu-metal night then I doubt they're poseurs at all, they're probably really into it. Creating our own metal night would have paid no dividends as there would have been three men and a dog there most of the time.
Spot on Wayne. Let the nu-metal guys have their fun, at least they can sustain a night. For all our moaning, if we did run an extreme metal night in Birmingham there would be nobody there and it would turn out to be a big waste of everybodys time.
Well... I suppose it depends on what is done really. For as much he annoyed some people Barney managed to do a pretty good job of rallying enough people round to get Bilskirnir a fairly regular attendance. It did tail off a little at times, but I think for the most part it worked well. It's hard to keep scenes together, but if there's people on the ground still talking about it and keeping the buzz going then it can work.
The whole complaining about not turning up thing is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's understandable becoming disillusioned, but people don't talk like that in other scenes. The indie scene is pretty lame and no one turns up to gigs very much there either, but they don't moan about it much at all. I think all some people need is others around them to show some confidence and gain encouragement from. When that happens at a gig, the crowd actually starts to participate and get into it.
Sometimes it only takes a couple of people to set that up...
BYOB is bring your own booze I think... in the states and europe bands play a lot of shows in slum housing, empty warehouses and those big basements you get in US houses. I think its more prevalent in the punk scene, I really like the idea but I can't see it kicking off over here. In theory a couple could hold a gig in a rehersal room or something, bring a 6-pack, I think the vibe could be awesome!
As to the extreme metal night failing... maybe I'm over cynical but I've seen it in action. What happens is you big swell of attendence at the start because its new and everyone is all keen. Then people start to not show up, skip it and think they'll go to the next one, find a reason to complain about it, attendence drops and it gets to the stage where its not viable for the venue anymore. This is where the biggest pressure lies, because venues will pull the plug on nights that don't have a lot of people, and fair play to them in that respect.
I had this when Charlotte, Nick and I ran Reanimator out of that wine bar as a DJ night and we saw it again with the gigs, it just took a bit longer to become unsustainable. I know both nights had plenty of flaws, but even so... Its unrealistic and unreasonable to expect everyone to turn up every time but inevitably this is what you end up looking for, because there's so few people in the scene: thats inevitable due to the nature of the music. It ALSO doesn't help that the scene is full of rifts, cliques and other such stuff - eg. I hate Scruffys and go there as little as possible, and I understand 90% the of crowd there won't come to my shows as Billy and I are regarded as 'elitist' (i suppose if this means disliking bands like Musta Talvi its true).
I think Bilskirnir did do really well, but thats got to be partially down to Barney and Noj bridging some of those scene gaps. I also think though that they got out at the right time... if I remember right attendences were falling when they pulled the plug.
I suspect the reason maybe you don't get this with other scenes is because the metal crowd is so obsessed with the poser / true divide and keeps splitting itself up, although perhaps if you look below the surface you might? I know the goth scene is very similar with some groups seeing themselves as more goth than others , and it means a lot of events fail due to apathy and lack of support.
On a side note, I found myself at Eddie's for some sort of all-dayer on Saturday. What utter dross. The promoter kept getting on stage to milk the applause and urge more people down to the front "to start mosh-pits and support the underground community". I heard 3 bands and it was all the same mindless, mind-numbing filth; one band had a song "about [his] pendulous balls", and another had a medley of Raining Blood, Master of Puppets and Fucking Hostile.
The worst part is, the people I went with thought it was great. I had to leave after about 2 hours. How things like that are successful is beyond me.
You know what, every extreme metal night is always going to have a finite life. Maybe you could capitalise on this, and organise one that is only going to last 6 nights? That way people come for the first few, then cos they know its the last few everyone also comes as a big send off! No reason to try and have a 1000 night marathon over 10 years, its bound to get stale?